My Brother is Going to Hate Me for This One...

October 2, 2009 at 1:30 PMJeremy

This past Sunday, Brandon and I got into a somewhat lively discussion about a very important topic; no, not healh care reform or the situation in Iran -- explaining to Lucas the relative merits of Sony's Playstation 3 and the Nintendo Wii.

In our discussion, Brandon made the claim that, although the base system is cheaper, the Wii is actually the most expensive system because of the various add-ons and extras that you have to buy for it.  This seemed true enough; after all, there are extra remotes, extra "nunchuk" peripherals, the new MotionPlus add-on, and that certainly does add up.  I decided that the best way to settle it was with a spreadsheet comparing one system to the other, and see just how much it would cost to outfit the system to play a single game.  I used the current MSRP for all items, as other times or sales aren't a fair representation.

For Wii, I decided to be generous and chose Wii Sports Resort, which requires a remote, a nunchuk, and the MotionPlus add-on to play (although one MotionPlus comes with the game).  I thought about asking Brandon which game he'd nominate for the PS3, but I knew he'd pick Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. 

To outfit the Wii for 1 player requires the Wii system ($199.99), which includes a remote and nunchuk (plus a free game!) and a copy of Wii Sports Resort ($49.99) which includes a MotionPlus; total: $249.98.  For the PS3, I'd need the system ($299.99) which includes a DualShock 3 controller and the game ($29.99, as a bestseller, which includes Metal Gear Online for free); total: $329.98.  So the Wii wins by 80 bucks.

Of course, part of the appeal of the latest generation of games is that they enable multiplayer much more easily than previous generations.  So, what happens if you scale these out to support more players?  Well, for Wii Sports Resort, you just need more remotes, nunchuks, and MotionPluses.   For Metal Gear Online, you need more Playstation 3's and more copies of the game.  How does that stack up?  For four players:

  MSRP Quantity Cost
Wii $199.99 1 $199.99
Wii Remote $39.99 3 $119.97
Wii Nunchuk $19.99 3 $59.97
MotionPlus $19.99 3 $59.97
Wii Sports Resort $49.99 1 $49.99
      $489.89
       
Playstation 3 $299.99 4 $1,199.96
DualShock 3 $54.99 0 $0.00
Metal Gear Solid 4 $29.99 4 $119.96
      $1,319.92

The difference is $830.03 in Nintendo's favor.  (And that's not even counting the 4 HDTVs and HDMI cables you'd need...)

Now, I can already anticipate the counter-argument.  "Not every PS3 game require multiple systems."  True enough, the PS3 does support local multiplayer on the same system for some games, which at $54.99 for a Dual Shock 3, would have to be cheaper than buying $40 remotes plus $20 nunchuks and $20 MotionPluses, right?

Again, pitting a fully-kitted Wii Sports Resort setup against some random new 4-player PS3 game yields these results:

  MSRP Quantity Cost
Wii $199.99 1 $199.99
Wii Remote $39.99 3 $119.97
Wii Nunchuk $19.99 3 $59.97
MotionPlus $19.99 3 $59.97
Wii Sports Resort $49.99 1 $49.99
      $489.89
       
Playstation 3 $299.99 1 $299.99
DualShock 3 $54.99 3 $164.97
Local MP Game $59.99 1 $59.99
      $524.95

The Wii is still $35.06 cheaper!  And all these figures are based on the recent price reductions on both systems.  For about two weeks, the Wii was still $249 while the PS3 had dropped to $299.  At any other point, the Wii has been more than $100 cheaper, so there is only a small window where this would've played out differently.

So there you have it, folks.  The myth that the Wii has these hidden costs that make it ultimately the more expensive system has been busted.  To be fair, the PS3 also plays Blu-Ray and is an awesome upscaling DVD player, so with that factored in there are certainly scenarios where the Playstation becomes a better overall deal. But from a pure gaming standpoint, the cheaper system is the cheaper system, regardless of the extras.

Personally, I like them both.  There are more games that interest me on the Wii, but the PS3 does a lot of non-gaming stuff really well... and it is the exclusive home to certain Tactical Espionage Action.  [Of course, that may be changing in the future, as Metal Gear's creator Hideo Kojima has expressed his interest in Microsoft's Project Natal; It won't surprise me in the least to find my brother sneaking over to the Xbox 360... in a cardboard box, of course...]

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United States dieterich says:

Wait, you didn't factor in travel for those 3 players to go play at the Wii owner's house.  One of the guys lives in North Carolina while the other lives in Rio.  Airfare alone is going to be way over that $800 some odd dollars that the Wii owner "supposedly" saves.  And why are we saying that Wii owners are cheap and can only drive over to their friend's house to play?  Do they not have their own Wii's at home?  I'm betting they do.  The only true comparison you needed to make was the last in your charting.  Well, you could have also gone with an online game but with each person having their own system because, let's face it, they all likely would have their own systems and play online.  I'll go ahead and do the math at a later time when I can include a fancy pie chart or something but I'll go ahead and say that I'd gladly pay the extra $35 to have a PS3 vs. the Wii.  $35 whole extra dollars for a Bluray player....  I would hesitate to call that a pretty smashing deal.

You boys have WAY too much time on your hands.....  Smile

No need for a fancy pie chart... that one's easy.  Supposing we pit the Metal Gear Online scenario against a Wii going online to play Smash Bros. Brawl.  Even though SSBB can be played with the included Remote or Remote/Nunchuk combo, I'll even throw in a Classic Controller.

Wii: $199.99(system) + $19.99(controller) + $49.99(game) = $269.97
PS3: $299.99(system) + $29.99(game) = $329.98

So, still a $60.01 difference per player in favor of the Wii.

And hey, the argument was just that the cost of extra controllers and add-ons made the Wii the more expensive console.  I acknowledged that Blu-Ray changes things, but that's not an add-on to the Wii.  

Besides which, I could make the argument that going toward the PS3 and Blu-Ray over a Wii (which still provides its optimum experience even on an SDTV) compels its own set of "extras" like an HDTV, home theater setup, cables, remote, and Blu-Ray movies.

United States dieterich says:

Hey, you forgot to factor in battery replacement for the Wii.  On average, the Wiimote batteries only last for 15-20 hours of gaming.  If you played 20 hours a week, each week for a year, you'd have to spend $81 ($9/12 pk plain ol' Duracell batts) for a single Wiimote for that year's worth of gaming.  Multiply that by 4 controllers and you've spent $324.

And just what do your DualShock 3's run on?  Puppy farts and fairy tales?  Hope(TM) and Change(TM)?

My DualShock 3 runs on a Li-ion battery that has to charge through a USB connection to the PS3, which has to be fully on to charge.  And it can only charge two controllers at a time, and unless two of your four players want to sit 3 feet from the TV, that's fully idle time for charging.  All that power has to be accounted for.

Also, although I notice little Phillips screws on the bottom, I'm guessing the battery isn't exactly an easily-user-replaceable part, meaning you've got to consider full controller replacements over the life of the system.

United States dieterich says:

Why can yours only charge 2 controllers at a time?  Mine can charge 4 with the 4 USB ports it has.  And with playing 20 hours per week, that does give enough time to charge them overnight and still not need someone to sit connected to the PS3 to play.  Anyway, I was unaware that AA batteries grew on trees at your house that you didn't have to "purchase" them.  My electricity is coming to the house and charges my controllers, so what.  I have nothing else to go out and buy like a battery.  As for that idle time while charging a couple of controllers- my PS3 is working on a cure to cancer.  What is your Wii doing?

Historically Nintendo has been all about those little extra peripherals.  How about the Power Glove?  The Duck Hunt gun?  That shoulder-mounted bazooka?  That horribly lame 3D infrared, laptop-looking, controller thing that we had?  ROB?  The Power Pad mat?  The mouse for Mario Paint?  The bongos for Donkey Kong?  Yeah, a couple of those came with a game but most were added extras.  While you may "technically" come out slightly cheaper, you won't for long.  Nintendo will dream up some new accessory that everyone wants to have and then your cheaper system will not be such.  Heck, we wouldn't be having this conversation if the Wii didn't just drop its price to stay under the new PS3's price.  Hopefully you didn't buy the first-gen Wii balance board because you've now got to buy the extra $20 Wii Fit Plus add-on doomahicky.

All in all, the Wii plays games.  Period.  The PS3 plays games, has Bluray, downloadable content(movies, music, games), and is formatted for the current generation of high def TVs(not the previous).  As you put it, I'd gladly pay the "extra" $60 for the PS3 and have all that it can do that the Wii can't.

I'm not bashing the Wii.  It's just for a different audience.  It's definitely something that literally anyone can pick up and play.  That makes it fun in a group setting but when your only two moves are thrust and slash, some of the games can get old fast.  When was the last time you played through Twilight Princess?  I like the complexity of a game like MGS that takes time to master the controls so that you can pull off those moves that a first-timer can't.

In the end, I don't really care which system is cheaper.  You still bought both so this whole money argument really isn't an issue anyway.  There was obviously something the PS3 had that the Wii didn't and you finally got one.

BTW, you will also need to get LittleBigPlanet so you can help me collect the items on the 3 & 4 player levels that I can't get to by myself.  Ooh, and go download the Wolfenstein demo.  It's pretty cool.

United States dieterich says:

Ok, show me a "plus" for the Xbox.  I've yet to see a commercial for an Xbox (or game) that made me sit up and go, "wow, I gotta get me one of dem der Xbox thingers".  Project Natal?  Bleh.  Whatever.  I don't see it.  Yet another gimmick to sell a system.  I'm not even enthusiastic about the PS3 motion controller thingy.  Would it be nice to have nice graphics to play Resident Evil 5 and use a gun-like interface, sure.  If I want to do that, I'll dust off the Wii and play Resident Evil 4 - though it's much less scary with pixel-block creatures.

What would be a "real" litmus would be to rack up ALL available accessories for the Wii and the PS3 and then see what you've got.  First-party only, but all of them.  That way you can factor out likes/dislikes and just go with accessory vs. accessory.

Well, I have to say that while I don't like having to pay monthly for it, the XBox Live account being a single unified place for identity, achievements, matchmaking, and the like is pretty cool.  Plus, until just recently, it was typically at least $100 less for the same pretty HD graphics that PS3 has.

And we'll see how you feel about Natal and XBox if Kojima releases a Metal Gear for it.

Yeah, for a fair comparison, we'll have to wait until Natal and Sony's unnamed motion controller come out before we can see how much these systems cost with all the extras.  Even then, that's not really a "fair" comparison - is the Wii's Ethernet adapter necessary?  PS3 technically supports 8 controllers; would a "full" system have all eight?  Does the EyeToy count?  Does anybody actually buy the Sony HDMI cable?

Sorry, I didn't realize that the PS3 used "free" electricity.  And yes, the PS3 Slim does only have 2 USB ports - we can redo these figures based on the launch PS3 "fat" if you want.

Sony hasn't exactly been devoid of "extras" either, or are you forgetting that the PS1 controller suddenly turned into a Dual Shock with rumble and analog?  Or the PS2 light gun?  Or the DDR mat?  Or the network adapter?  Or the HDD?  Or the DVD and Blu-Ray remotes?  Or Rock Band?

And before you slam Wii Fit for releasing a software sequel, maybe you should think about MGS2 and MGS2: Substance or MGS3 and MGS3: Subsistence.  Or GT4.  Yeah, sometimes there are extra editions of the software that add some addition features.  Certainly not a have-to-buy.

Yes, I bought a Wii to play games, and a PS3 to watch movies.  And in fact, had I seen what a good upscaling DVD player would do to regular DVDs, I don't think I'd even have a PS3.  And you also own both systems, so I'm not sure what your point is with that.

I read that same "casual" Wii-bashing everywhere else on the Internet.  If you aren't finding games with challenge and depth on the Wii, it's because you're not looking, not because they don't exist.  I could make the same statements about the PS3.  Wet is little different than Max Payne.  The demos for Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and Batman: Arkham Asylum have some cool graphics and nifty features, but they boil down to the same brawler-style gameplay as Turtles In Time: Reshelled, which is a remake of a game we had on Super NES.

And yes, I've played through 4 different Zelda games (including Twilight Princess) since the last time I touched a Metal Gear game.  I play the MGS games for the story; I finished 3 and haven't played it since.  I'll play Zelda games to 100% completion, or at least as close as I can get.  

Different strokes and all, which is fine by me.  Again, I was just refuting the idea (which I assumed was true also) that the extras for the Wii cost more than a PS3.  Both systems (really all the systems, 360 included) have their pluses.  The Wii has some truly next-generation gameplay (that Sony and Microsoft are hoping to catch up to) and the PS3 is a great convergence device and media player.  

It's really a subjective decision and in the end there's no "right" answer.  But there are things that we can establish factually, and that's what I was trying to do.

After the smoke clears and the gloves are taken off, the question still remains... Which one should I get?!?!?!

United States dieterich says:

As our arguing points out, it depends on what types of games you want to play.  If you want Mario and all his buddies, you buy a Wii.  If you want the epic saga of Solid Snake and a Bluray player, you get the PS3.  It's like choosing between a PC and a Mac.  Just depends on what you want to do with it.

Just to nitpick, but you can play Solid Snake on the Wii: as a character in Smash Bros. Brawl, and in the GameCube game Twin Snakes.  And the PS3 really only gets him the latest chapter in the "epic saga" since the other games are available for PS1/PS2.

Whew....

I'll just get an Xbox.... lol jk

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